tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.comments2023-06-06T05:52:58.131-07:00Boston Sports fan in DCKarl Dillingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14360640520114625818noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-26173165484662005612011-11-11T04:23:31.887-08:002011-11-11T04:23:31.887-08:00What about the grad student who witnessed the act ...What about the grad student who witnessed the act and didn't do anything to stop it? There is alot more coming out about this and I think there are going to be alot of people hopefully going to jail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-10134756804278324902011-11-10T08:40:22.258-08:002011-11-10T08:40:22.258-08:00I agree with both of your sentiments. JoePa may ha...I agree with both of your sentiments. JoePa may have fulfilled his legal obligations, but he sure as hell didn't fulfill his moral obligations. As a Penn State fan, I respect him as a football coach, but couldn't be more disgusted with his conduct as a human being. He, along everyone else who knew that something was wrong but made the choice not to continue up the chain until something reasonable was done about it, should be held accountable for their lack of action. God only knows how many other tragedies they could have prevented.Natashanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-83057322392585896142011-11-10T06:54:21.529-08:002011-11-10T06:54:21.529-08:00I completely agree with all of this. I'm prob...I completely agree with all of this. I'm probably going to hold my judgements until all of the facts come out. The media does such an amazing job of fabricating everything.<br /><br />From what I'm reading (The indictments, the news articles, etc) everyone on the staff, including joepa, should go despite the loyalty that comes with having such a successful college football program. There really is no excuse for letting this coach hang aroud the university after all the allegations took place. Whether they were true or not, they should have taken precautionary measures due to the severity of the accusations and banned him from the grounds until all the charges were cleared. <br /><br />Penn State sets an example for what not to do in a child molestation/abuse case. The grad student, the athletic directors, the coaches, everyone did the wrong thing. The grad student should have gone straight to the police. The fact that the police weren't immediately involved is pretty shocking. <br /><br />As far as the rioting comes, if any sports/political/public figure did something of a negative nature, no matter what there will be loyal rioters defending them. JoePa of all people is a legendary coach to say the least. Take Bill Clinton, he cheated on his wife and there were still Clinton supporters out there that say yeah, he majorly screwed up, but he was a great president and we still commend him for that. JoePa is Penn State football and he majorly screwed up, took the wrong measures, but he is a great football coach and has done everything for that program. Yes, he should not be able to finish the season and should be punished for those actions, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't still be recognized for his lifetime of achievement and what he did for that program.<br /><br />If all of this ends up being true, then it really is a shame that anything like this could happen and be kept under wraps for such a long period of time.Kelly Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-19067350401666626942011-07-29T11:37:03.281-07:002011-07-29T11:37:03.281-07:00I admit I did miss that word, but that only elimin...I admit I did miss that word, but that only eliminates Antonio Gates (31) out of that list. Zach Miller is 25, Jermichael Finley is 24 and Vernon Davis is 27. But if you admit you're exaggerating then my point is basically moot. Good blog otherwise!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-75698569622311848612011-07-29T07:34:42.124-07:002011-07-29T07:34:42.124-07:00I exaggerate. But yes theyare the best young pass ...I exaggerate. But yes theyare the best young pass catchign tight ends. I think you missed that word. Steelers are probably the best run organization other than their quarterback is a rapist.Karl Dillingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360640520114625818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-2497540640945423012011-07-29T07:15:12.180-07:002011-07-29T07:15:12.180-07:00There are a lot of superlatives in this article th...There are a lot of superlatives in this article that are hyperbole. The Patriots are not the "best organization in sports", a team that hasn't won a playoff game since 2007 should not be given that moniker, I wouldn't even say they are the best run organization in the NFL (Steelers are, and I am saying that as a Steeler hater). <br /><br />Same with the last paragraph, Hernandez and Gronkowski show great promise, but I wouldn't call them the best pass catching TEs in the league, young or not. Antonio Gates, Zach Miller, Jermichael Finley, Vernon Davis, and a few others would rank above the Patriots duo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-13454133268350528652011-07-29T07:03:38.565-07:002011-07-29T07:03:38.565-07:00Are you ready for some football???? In total agree...Are you ready for some football???? In total agreement Karl!Andy Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-22794394936787490612010-11-18T12:42:14.312-08:002010-11-18T12:42:14.312-08:00Fpr the record, I also have a problem with hunting...Fpr the record, I also have a problem with hunting as a sport. I also hate Sara Palin. Michael Vick is less of an asshole than Sara Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-84977268320611188112010-11-18T10:16:23.908-08:002010-11-18T10:16:23.908-08:00My feeling on the NFL's re-admittance goes alo...My feeling on the NFL's re-admittance goes along with my point earlier about how he's already pay for what he's done. Unless something about it is in his contract, the court system, not the NFL, is the only entity that should be able to enforce penalties for crimes committed outside of other realms. If he was arrested for something like gambling within the NFL like Pete Rose was in baseball, then I'd say both the courts and the NFL can take action. If the NFL was to make a statement saying they won't employ anyone who tortures animals, I would say that's unfair, but I would certainly agree that it's within their rights to do so.<br /><br />p.s. yea i hate the eagles too, but usually only when they play against The Patriots.<br /><br />p.p.s. I think Liz Hurley is super hot, but it's hugh grant. He basically can get any woman he wants, so while you and I sit here going "I can't believe he'd risk losing such a beautiful woman" he's going "well, looks like i'll just have to find another unbelievably hot woman to sleep with. should take all of 8 minutes." He obviously was not in love with her. And I'm not even going to get into my views on prostitution, they are usually very unpopular and a huge tangent from Karl's blog post.Three Toehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287412774965642160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-23133393703744478342010-11-18T08:04:41.088-08:002010-11-18T08:04:41.088-08:00Whilst I see the two as separate issues, I at leas...Whilst I see the two as separate issues, I at least agree that there is some degree of hypocrisy there. Anonymous was on the right track with his point that people were so up-in-arms about it because dogs are cute and friendly in most people's eyes. <br />Can't eat a dog = DON'T TORTURE THEM!<br />Veal is delicious = mm... raised in a box... yummy!<br />I also think that if you aren't eating the animals that you hunt, that we should make it sporting and give the deer an Uzi.<br />I really enjoyed your response defending Anon because you raised points that I was not seeing. I always enjoy intelligent arguments because they usually lead to great discussions - and it turns out that you are more in agreement than either party may have thought.<br />In my eyes, it all comes down to the legality of the issue. Did he do his time? yes. But I still find it unacceptable that he (and every other criminal with talent) is allowed back into the NFL. <br />p.s. I still hate the Eagles.<br />p.p.s. SERIOUSLY! HOW do you cheat on Elizabeth Hurley with a prostitute?!?Will Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619574307372821352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-77528412692289536512010-11-18T07:27:59.015-08:002010-11-18T07:27:59.015-08:00Yea you know, I am not a vegetarian, so I'm no...Yea you know, I am not a vegetarian, so I'm not going to say that I am against eating animals. Hunting for food, in my eyes is completely fine. I did a poor job of stating what I meant. I said that we longer need to hunt for food, but I should have said that while it is unnecessary, some people still do and I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with hunting for sport or enjoyment.<br /><br />You do raise a good point about the mass-marketed meat industry though. I have not done much research here myself, but the little I have read does indicate that mass produced meat suppliers do treat the animals so badly that it should be (or is, for people who actually know what goes on) considered torture. In this way, hunting probably IS the more humane option.<br /><br />I guess what gets me is that everytime a story like this comes out you'll see John Q. Dumbass sittin there at MacDonalds eating a hamburger talking to his friend about how Michael Vick is a prick for torturing animals. I know this blog entry was set up to discuss Vick, but my underlying point is who are we to judge when most of us are big hypocrites? I hope I didn't offend you earlier but that's why I defended Anonymous's post.Three Toehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287412774965642160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-86474013115623291332010-11-18T06:57:34.803-08:002010-11-18T06:57:34.803-08:00Three Toe,
I think that you have raised a good poi...Three Toe,<br />I think that you have raised a good point, though I see it as misguided. Benjamin made a very good point earlier about the benefits of hunting, such as preventing overpopulation of animals causing them to starve to death. He mentioned deer, but this is true for many different animals.<br />My views on hunting are this: If you are going to eat the animal, then feel free to hunt - within the limits of the law. My friends and I that hunt, eat the ducks, the deer, the caribou, and anything else that we shoot. I honestly believe that killing an animal with a bullet that has run free all of its life is much more humane than the way that slaughterhouses handle the beef, pork, chicken, and whatever else we get from the market. I find the way that commercially sold meat is raised, especially the chickens and the veal - in boxes and cages too small to move, or sometime even stand - to be more like the cruel conditions of a dog breeding/dog fighting ring than hunting free animals.<br />So until we're ready to give up meats from the supermarket, I see no issue with hunting - as long as the animal is eaten.<br />Your thoughts?Will Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619574307372821352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-32262066900846397372010-11-17T20:22:49.824-08:002010-11-17T20:22:49.824-08:00Love the comments and the arguing Three Toe and Wi...Love the comments and the arguing Three Toe and Will. This is what I love to see!Karl Dillingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360640520114625818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-37572280867620097892010-11-17T14:57:04.560-08:002010-11-17T14:57:04.560-08:00These comments are good. I don't have a clue...These comments are good. I don't have a clue really about this but I love reading all the opinions. This is so controversial it's great. Three toe, your comments are excellent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-74755801668562647942010-11-17T13:50:41.136-08:002010-11-17T13:50:41.136-08:00We are interpreting things differently, and I can&...We are interpreting things differently, and I can't claim that I AM right about my interpretation, but I do BELIEVE I am right. I don't think that implication is correct because he doesn't give me the impression that he is OK with people using wild animals to fight, though I can see where you get that. For what it's worth, I can't extract his opinion on using any animals (wild or domesticated) to fight, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he is not OK with it.<br /><br />Thank you for the compliment on my post, and yes, it certainly was a mix haha. <br /><br />I'd like to get your opinion on a part of his post that we haven't discussed though. I am of the opinion that at this day in age, where we no longer hunt for food, that hunting is identical to animal fighting. Sure a good hunter may kill instantly without any suffering on the part of the animal, but nobody's aim is perfect. For me, both cases come off as human beings inflicting pain and suffering upon defenseless animals for our own amusement. What about you?<br /><br />(sorry karl, for this tangent)Three Toehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287412774965642160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-23611632569617692202010-11-17T13:14:33.822-08:002010-11-17T13:14:33.822-08:00Three Toe,
I certainly agree with the fact that ye...Three Toe,<br />I certainly agree with the fact that yes, it is a relief that he served any time at all, as compared to those who go without punishment. It seems that your interpretation of OP's words differs from my own. <br />However, stating that "he thought of them as wild animals on par with what we would think of a fox or rooster," does in fact imply that OP takes no issue with cock fights. <br />I do not disagree with your original post. I think that it raises some damn fine points. I also think that if the OP meant what you are interpreting it as, they should have worded it a bit more clearly. <br />I still think that my post was a nice mix of a rational retort to a reasonable interpretation of the post and some juvenile insult slinging.<br />Furthermore, poop.Will Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619574307372821352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-15307237209801612852010-11-17T12:19:53.664-08:002010-11-17T12:19:53.664-08:00Will Lambert, you leaned back, wound up, swung for...Will Lambert, you leaned back, wound up, swung for the fences but unfortunately you have completely whiffed. You are the one who has missed HIS point, and what's worse, you have resorted to insult slinging rather than rational arguments. He did not insinuate what you claim, merely that different cultures emphasizes different values. Much like my post, he is merely saying that based on our experiences, individuals attribute different levels of severity to different crimes. He is obviously not saying that animal abuse is OK, rather trying to point out some of the hypocrisy that has accompanied this story. In fact, re-reading his post, I am really amazed at how badly you misrepresented him or her.<br /><br />I think we can both agree that when he or she says, "he more than served his time when compared to others who have done so much worse and not served any kind of punishment," we could say "we should not consider time served for minor crime A relative to lack of time served for major crime B to be justification of an excessively light penalty," but we would have missed the point. It seems to me that anonymous is critiquing our justice system with that statement(e.g. "At least he served some time for his crime when most athletes avoid punishment altogether.").Three Toehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287412774965642160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-48681208936819077162010-11-17T12:13:17.574-08:002010-11-17T12:13:17.574-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Three Toehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287412774965642160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-77275811627242695472010-11-17T11:20:00.688-08:002010-11-17T11:20:00.688-08:00although I believe in second chances, I do not in ...although I believe in second chances, I do not in this case. I can not conceive of anyone abusing an animal especially a dog. I adopted my little puppy three years ago after she had been abused and she still shows a very timid side after all this time.<br /><br />He may be a great ball player and even better than he was before, but my personal hope is he fails again...Andy Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-34901537422619438242010-11-17T11:18:51.230-08:002010-11-17T11:18:51.230-08:00To the Anonymous Idiot between Karl and Caren:
Yo...To the Anonymous Idiot between Karl and Caren:<br /><br />You are a moron. You not only have insinuated that dog fighting and cock fighting are acceptable if you have a different perception of the animals, you also insinuate that because people have gotten away with worse crimes than Vick's that he shouldn't have to pay for his crimes. <br /><br />So, since OJ got away with murdering his wife, does that mean a rapist should go free - because I don't think it's as bad as murder? What about a child molester? Where the Hell do you draw the line?<br />Additionally, if you see cock fighting as alright because you see roosters like Vick sees dogs, does that mean that if I pay two homeless men to fight to the death, I am without reproach because I see them as less than human and scavengers as well?<br /><br />You are an idiot. Your arguments make no sense. You should be locked inside of a chemical toilet and set on fire. <br />And the person should get away with it because that isn't as bad as torturing animals.Will Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619574307372821352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-57207198684581371802010-11-17T11:14:03.530-08:002010-11-17T11:14:03.530-08:00Honestly, I don't care if he did think of dogs...Honestly, I don't care if he did think of dogs as annoying little craps who can be toyed with. You could say that in some cultures humans are thought the same way as dogs are in the south. Would that justify stealing human beings, torturing them, forcing them to fight? <br /><br />Also, Why do you think we have restrictions on hunting? There are only specific seasons in which people are allowed to hunt, you go to jail if you're caught otherwise. Also Deer overpopulation is a huge problem, not just for motorists, but for deer themselves. Is it more humane to let animals starve to death in their natural habitat or to thin out their numbers and sell the fur and meat for others to use? You can't really compare dog fighting to sport hunting. Those dogs were tortured for no reason other than personal satisfaction. Thats sick, twisted, and sociopathic behaviour. Hes a terrible human being.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242396708660178491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-73417263921375818432010-11-17T10:58:36.925-08:002010-11-17T10:58:36.925-08:00I can't and won't forgive him for the deci...I can't and won't forgive him for the decisions he's made and the animals he's harmed. However I will and can acknowledge that he is a superb athlete. I think its easy to separate the two, although I do not agree that the NFL should have put this individual back into a place where he could make stupid sums of money and potential mis-use it again. As of now he is paying back his debts, but what's the dollar amount on abuse? Abuse of money. Abuse of power. Abuse of innocent animals. <br />The big talk was how Andy Reid is supposedly playing a huge role in his rehabilitation - what is he doing? I would like to see Vick out and about more, paying back his debts to society in community service with animal organizations. I would like something well documented. I think its possible for people to change, but not in situations like this one. Prison in my opinion for Vick was a slap on the wrist.Carenhttp://cplum.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-45937462775246285692010-11-17T10:56:37.085-08:002010-11-17T10:56:37.085-08:00Would people be as outraged if it were, let's ...Would people be as outraged if it were, let's say, squirrels as opposed to dogs? The reason the crimes were such a big deal was because our country has such attachment to dogs based on the emotions generated from either having your own dog or knowing someone with a pet dog that is a loving, harmless animal. But in much of the world, as well as in much of our country, specifically low-income southern communities like where Vick is from, they do not look at dogs as those loving, caring animals. They look at them like wild dogs that roam the streets scavengering for food, barking at whatever is in their way. Is what he did that much different than people who go out into the woods hunting birds, deer, and other defenseless animals for sport. I am sure if we had a culture of raising deer as pets in our country, then people would be outraged everytime someone goes out and hunts for sport. And let us not even start about some of the slaughtering practices that go on in the food industry. Clearly, Vick should not have started this gambling ring, but if it is really put in perspective, he more than served his time when compared to others who have done so much worse and not served any kind of punishment. Remember, he did not think of dogs like you and I did, he thought of them as wild animals on par with what we would think of a fox or rooster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-45039879149715061682010-11-17T10:55:19.921-08:002010-11-17T10:55:19.921-08:00These are awesome comments everyone. Thank you!These are awesome comments everyone. Thank you!Karl Dillingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360640520114625818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3886232041589293094.post-21627703353234410232010-11-17T10:54:36.198-08:002010-11-17T10:54:36.198-08:00I agree with most of what people have said on here...I agree with most of what people have said on here. If he wasn't a ball player he wouldn't be able to get a good job, buy a house, (probably) serve in the military, etc. I personally think the NFL should adopt a more rigorous policy. If you do the crime then you can't play, EVER AGAIN. Often these athletes feel above the law since they can get away with murder (see previous drunk driving references) and have no real world consequence. They keep making millions and the families of their victims pay the price.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07497439047315071010noreply@blogger.com